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Amazon was fine throwing money into making a moat, and they have a tangible one.

I don't see what Uber's moat is once self driving cars are common. It seems they will be fighting off competition (car companies, Waymo, etc) that didn't have to spend money on lobbying, lawsuits, subsidies, and so forth.



That's your problem there! :D

Self driving cars are just hype that won't be any significant for another decade. You should forget about self driving cars.

What Uber has right now is real, a massive customer base and network of taxi, that is bringing billions of dollars. They could totally focus on that and have a strong and sustainable business.


Sans self driving cars, Uber loses cash. You seem to think shedding employees is enough to fix that. Closing a $2 to $3bn/yr loss with just layoffs seems hard. Eliminating subsidies puts competitors on a level playing field. I can sell dollar bills for 90 cents and be incredibly popular too. I just don't have the panache to sell that plan to Saudis.


Think of competitors as friends.

They bring you business. Yes, it helps you that the taxi can have a phone with lyft in the same car. It gives the illusion of choice and it gives an alternative to the driver.

In the end, your business has 90% market share. It's not going away overnight. Market share is actually self sustaining and it's giving you a strong edge for the future.

Competitors don't have 1/10th of the cash. If they get try to compete on subsidies, they'll get a peak of traffic and run out.


Sans self driving cars, Uber's competitors are also losing cash, and they are losing cash faster than Uber

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13772168


Yes, that seems logical. I'd mentioned competition in my comment as Waymo and car companies.

"Sell at a loss but make it up in volume" probably doesn't work well for many :)


I read your comment twice. You only mention Uber and not "Waymo and car companies" unless your referring to a different comment of yours than the one I replied to here.


This was the only spot where I said anything about specific competitors: It seems they will be fighting off competition (car companies, Waymo, etc) that didn't have to spend money on lobbying

The bigger thing, though, is that you keep implying that I said Lyft was somehow in a better spot. Now you're noting I never mentioned Lyft.

Nothing I'm saying is affected one way or other by Lyft. Pointing out that they have the same problem doesn't change the rationale.




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