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> Two decades later and the coalition just announced that 18 different ISPs now compete for Utah resident attention over a network that now covers 21 different Utah cities. In many instances, ISPs on the network are offering symmetrical (uncapped) gigabit fiber for as little as $45 a month (plus $30 network connection fee, so $75). Some ISPs are even offering symmetrical 10 Gbps fiber for around $150 a month:

Congratulations, you've invented European style internet access with prices that almost match, super proud of you Utah.

Personally our local fibre network was built as a joint venture between 8 or 9 companies who then openly compete to run the service to customers so its mostly down to customer service and perks.

A 1gb symmetrical unlimited connection (sold as 900mb due to some legal shenanigans) is about $38 with a 250mb package unlimited going for $24



> Congratulations, you've invented European style internet access with prices that almost match, super proud of you Utah.

Isn’t Utah like 3M in an area the size of Western Europe?

It is an accomplishment considering


No, Utah is less than half the size of Spain or France. That's vastly less than the size of Western Europe.

So, while it's an impressive accomplishment, it's not "size of Western Europe" impressive.


For however conservative Utah is, they are very community oriented so in practice, they seem to implement some fairly socialist policies. They were real early in housing first and they have a pretty nice built-out public transit system, a bunch of coops, 3x the average of credit union membership ... things like that.


There’s a communitarian-libertarian axis that’s distinct from the conservative-liberal axis. While libertarianism tends to dominate both the left and right in the U.S., I suspect most American conservatives outside the coasts are more communitarian, closer to Christian democrats: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_democracy. Conversely, while American liberals have putatively communal ambitions, they’re often too fragmented and individualistic to accomplish them.


If you're referring to the political compass, that thing is just an astrological star chart for politics. It's just about as accurate.

Go to Wikipedia for that, about 70% of the word count is calling it nonsense https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Political_Compass

Those are the numbers you get with topics like homeopathy


I don’t know what the political compass is. I’m talking about polls that show a large share of republicans support things like social security and Medicare expansion: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/10/poll-a-majority-of-r....


Thanks for the clarification




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